Sheridan
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Aug 12, 2008 8:45:33 GMT -5
Post by Sheridan on Aug 12, 2008 8:45:33 GMT -5
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
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Aug 12, 2008 9:05:16 GMT -5
Post by Sheridan on Aug 12, 2008 9:05:16 GMT -5
A more main line media outlet. MSNBC says the same thing. www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26145921/So why the hell do I pay so much in taxes ? They make Trillions in sales of stuff and pay nothing? I take home a small paycheck and shell out a large portion of it. This is but one reason to Elect Sheridan in 08 LOL Ho Chi desires to cut corperate taxes,... for gods sake what are they going to get a refund and soon we will be paying them
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Aug 12, 2008 11:01:44 GMT -5
Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Aug 12, 2008 11:01:44 GMT -5
wouldn't a refund on nothing be nothing?
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
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Aug 12, 2008 12:03:05 GMT -5
Post by Sheridan on Aug 12, 2008 12:03:05 GMT -5
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Aug 12, 2008 19:35:18 GMT -5
Post by DeathFrog on Aug 12, 2008 19:35:18 GMT -5
Welcome to the real world, where the rich get untaxed by your hard earned dollars, so they can create jobs for us slobs to pay the taxes for them.
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Aug 13, 2008 11:07:24 GMT -5
Post by ISN War Reporter (Embedded) on Aug 13, 2008 11:07:24 GMT -5
The Narnian Thugz have a better system. They take everything from you and get nothing in return... oh wait! That's the system here now...
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
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Aug 15, 2008 13:51:51 GMT -5
Post by Sheridan on Aug 15, 2008 13:51:51 GMT -5
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Aug 16, 2008 18:00:19 GMT -5
Post by 6 of 9 on Aug 16, 2008 18:00:19 GMT -5
Death to the Americans!!! Alah Ackbar!!!! alalalalalalalah! *boom*
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Aug 16, 2008 18:22:46 GMT -5
Post by ISN War Reporter (Embedded) on Aug 16, 2008 18:22:46 GMT -5
Death to the Americans!!! Alah Ackbar!!!! alalalalalalalah! *boom* Missed, You Hit A Schoolbus Instead!
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Aug 16, 2008 23:10:47 GMT -5
Post by LoCatus of Borg on Aug 16, 2008 23:10:47 GMT -5
Yes the taxes suck! I should not have to pay any, the rich can afford it!
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Aug 17, 2008 13:16:58 GMT -5
Post by ISN War Reporter (Embedded) on Aug 17, 2008 13:16:58 GMT -5
Not to nitpic but the bottom third don't make enough to pay anything. Can't squeeze blood from a turnip (i mean taxpayer). With costs going up and wages friggin flat for a decade (you must be kidding me Federal Minimum Wage in US went from $4.95/hour to $5.75 last summer.Then $6.55 this summer and next summer to 7.25 an hour...finally! its been since 1992 roughly that its been stagnant. Minimum wage was; adjusted for inflation $9 an hour in 1965. Now its $6.55. Most jobs most people get and can get and high school grads and college grads now can get are sadly services sector jobs for $9- 10- 11 an hour. What is that? about $20000 a year. Health care is going up over 20% a year. Food 5-15% Gasoline don't laugh...40% in last year and thats best case scenario. Whenever we lose an industrial sector job we lose a $50-0000 a year working class job. What can that worker get to replace it? See above maybe $35000 a year. i'm not advocating Socialism but we need to earn enough money as a people to live. if it were'nt for home mortgage interest tax deductions i don't think anywhere near the 60% (its height) of Americans whch owned homes in 2005 would have been able to do so. Now a hell of a lot of people are losing said homes not just over-speculators but just plain working (or newly unemployed) people. if Amercans can't earn a decent living its not going to get better anytime soon. Corporate profits have scyroceted in 2000's and the percentage of Amercas wealth held by the top 1% of americans has risen from under 20% in 1979 to 33% in 2001 to 40% now. Go figure. From 1974 to 2004 the median national home price increased from about $108,000 to $197,000, an increase of almost 82%. During this same time period, the median family income went from $44,678 to $55,869, an increase of 25%.The richest 1 percent of Americans received about $491 billion in tax breaks between 2001 and 2008. That's nearly the same amount as U.S. debt held by China -- $493 billion -- in the form of Treasury securities. i'm not sure what if anything anyone can do about this. Maybe its just something we should just accept as Americans from a Free Market Capitalist-based economy. i will point out finally that we pay among the LOWEST taxes in the western capitalst world. 15%-22%-30%. True you have to add local taxes and state. But try living in Germany: 15-45% taxes with a 19% Value Added Tax on all product purchases other than food. Denmark 3-59% and 25% VAT. Just give us real wage jobs... my twenty-two cents worth. ;D
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Aug 17, 2008 18:08:47 GMT -5
Post by ISN War Reporter (Embedded) on Aug 17, 2008 18:08:47 GMT -5
RE: Minimum wage jobs/McDonald's OK, give you that. Not every job requires high wages. But too many give us low ones. (PS I don't eat big macs). And hey, our local Wendy's, McD's, and fast food joints are all too often not hiring American youths. They hire (ahem) Spanish-speaking non-locals and it's hard to get a supervisory job there if you don't speak Spanish. I'm not so happy about that (and my whole family except me and my son are immigrants from West and East Europe). RE: Tax Breaks/ Rich. Agreed, I don't want flat taxes, nor higher taxes, and yes, it is a mark of the success of a society when richness exists. Lets just not let them work the system just as much as maybe the lowest bracket is accused of. RE: compared to other countries our taxes seem quite low/ Pres Bush Cool, and yes, I am shocked by the Administrations penchant for contractors (not cost effective) and enlarging government when it is unwise. Not to mention driving up deficit spending, the conservatives must be pissed as hell. Reagan would roll over in his grave! The percentage of Americans defaulting on their mortgages, simple basic everyday Americans is HUGE and hugely underreported. I say that because in my relatively modest 6-8 years old subdivision/neighborhood about 10% of the 324 houses (ranging between $145-180 k) are chronically on the market or foreclosed upon. Top Reasons: Death of wage earner, Loss of Job, very unwisely accepted ARM mortgage and now cannot make payments. There were no speculators here, just retirees and young married couples all with good jobs, all choosing to buy less expensive houses (compared to the numerous $250-350k ones here as well). Devils advocate, here in metropolitan areas (Columbus, OH) things were not all that really overpriced. Its just we keep losing jobs as companies shut down and move away. Speculators and sneaky banks, I say to hell with reimbursing them. They brought it on themselves. I too don't believe in money redistribution, if fact, smaller government, more local and state control, and lower taxes all are good productive solutions. But in reference to your quote "If we follow that path [socialism] we will suffer a similar fate as the former Soviet Union etc..." We (not individuals) are (in my opinion) a bloated-corporatist hyper-capitalistic mildly-corrupt spoiled over-consuming greedy nation. We are simply like the Roman Empire feeding off of everyone else until we simply become irrelevant. We are powerful, economically, politically, and militarily. Lets not forget how we got here so we don't find ourselves in a spiraling downfall. I think we should remember the constitution and founding fathers ideals (the better ones) and stick to the basics. We have great hard-working people but need proper representative government politicians who serve us, WE THE PEOPLE. Generally, I really don't disagree with most of what you say. Peace Man!
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
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Aug 18, 2008 8:20:16 GMT -5
Post by Sheridan on Aug 18, 2008 8:20:16 GMT -5
It is good to hear all your views. One thing that worries me is that there is a growing and rapidly growing gap between the have nots and the super rich in this country. Throughout history we have seen that when that occurs it leads to resentment and instability in a country. This has occurred repeatedly over time. This gap between the haves and have nots is growing in our country now faster than ever. You see it from record profits from coperations to the rise of the super rich class of person. Statistics show it and I could post alot of articles about it. So I see a show about taxes on TV. They are interviewing Warren Buffet and his secretary. She pays 28% of her income in taxes. He pays 10%. Both are shocked. Even he says that is not right. Sure Warp the super rich 10% pay most of the US tax base. That is because folks like Warren Buffet has soooo much freaking money,.. of course they are paying the most of the Share. The real issue to me is that rich folks/organizations pretty much make the rules. They influence politics, they have lobbyists etc. You average Joe doesn't have that. So we have a situation now where oil companies (many companies),.. that are making record profit (in like highest in all of mankinds time) are pretty much going to be getting big breaks in the upcoming year. It is pretty clear why that will occur. When any CEO takes home 400 million in a year,... that is many other workers who will be impacted either at the gas pump or at even their wages. It comes from somewhere. That is not socialism or anything to think that way. I worry that in 50 years the gap between the wealthy and poor will be really huge,... I mean really huge. I always liked it when they said "Let them eat cake" Again good to hear all your views, folks.
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
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Aug 18, 2008 8:30:01 GMT -5
Post by Sheridan on Aug 18, 2008 8:30:01 GMT -5
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Aug 18, 2008 13:33:14 GMT -5
Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Aug 18, 2008 13:33:14 GMT -5
here's my take on it
anyone making over 75k/ year (single or jointly) pays a flat 18% of the taxes.
(note the cutoff is a little high for future inflation purposes for current inflation it would be about 60k)
anyone making less than that is struggling to stay afloat and any money they save in taxes is just going to go right back into teh economy because they need to spend it on essencials... anyone over that mark has some free spending money every paycheck and can afford to pay on the taxes... and by a flat rate Everyone is paying the same percentage ( although the more money you make the less it will affect your standard of living)
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