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Post by Satai Vadenn ra Sinoval on Nov 15, 2008 19:06:43 GMT -5
And yes you read right. 2 BASES, 2 PLANETS, 4 SHIPS, and the asteroid we took from the FEDS who took it back. If anyone does not beleive those numbers, ask the Ref. I lost a base and a ship on turn 2, but no one seems to know, or care. I have read the battle results section and do not see mention of a base being lost turn 2. Am I missing something? You say to ask the ref, so I ask, what is this base lost turn 2?
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Post by Sheridan on Nov 16, 2008 10:50:16 GMT -5
He must have started with a second base? Can't build a second one that fast. Maybe he found it and lost it?
Maybe he has been licking his frog skin and is under the effect of his own poison ? LOL
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Nov 16, 2008 15:54:14 GMT -5
or it had just started to be constructed
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Post by DeathFrog on Nov 16, 2008 16:22:05 GMT -5
under construction, paid for, destroyed.
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Post by Sheridan on Nov 17, 2008 8:25:53 GMT -5
Odd I did not hear about that battle. How is it this was kept secret? Maybe I just missed it?
Battles I hope are not defined as just the ones we play in the computer game. There is a reason battles are public knowledge and I hope the rule is not being redrawn to mean just computer game battles.
For example even though we did not do out the ISC homeworld battle I posted the results as it was a battle we just physically did not go through the process of sitting down at the game and having Dfly hit the SD button on the base.
I know them thar Frogs are secretive but I hope a battle was not hidden from the players.
Like I say maybe I just wasn't paying attention?
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Post by DeathFrog on Nov 17, 2008 16:36:56 GMT -5
It was not hidden, just people, other than maybe 1, did not read the postings properly. Unfortunately the base being destroyed while it was being built did not seem to get mentioned, most likely because it was not yet constructed, but paid for. The ship however is in the postings.
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Post by Satai Vadenn ra Sinoval on Nov 17, 2008 17:09:19 GMT -5
I guess this is the battle? The base is not mentioned as being destroyed but that must be because it was not completed yet?
Turn 2 impulse 2 Warp & Dfly vs Vorlons
Team 1: on Away (Attacker) Team Ships Remaining: Type T-DRSL Health 100% Ships Disengaged: Ships Destroyed: Ship Name:
Team 5: on Away (Attacker) Team Ships Remaining: Type T-DRSL Health 100% Ships Disengaged: Ships Destroyed: Ship Name:
Team 2: on Home (Defender) Team Ships Remaining: Ship Name: Ships Disengaged: Ships Destroyed: L-DFDD
Team 3: on Home (Defender) Team Ships Remaining: Ship Name: Ships Disengaged: Ships Destroyed:Type L-BCPP
Team 4: on Home (Defender) Team Ships Remaining: Ship Name: Ships Disengaged: Ships Destroyed: Type K-Science
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Post by DeathFrog on Nov 17, 2008 17:27:28 GMT -5
BINGO, give that man a medal lol.
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Post by Sheridan on Nov 17, 2008 18:01:30 GMT -5
My DDG thread,.. has been hijacked LOL
Seems more important info was recoverd due to the MST Mimbari Slueth Technology. Very good my bone headed friend,...
Soo,... what would encourage the ISC to build a base at the core,... I had heard not much was there.
Therein may lie a question that needs answers,..
To build a base is a serious endevor indeed,.. not one that just that would occasionally happpen at the core?
Ramrod,.. I mean Rodham,... to the core ! LOL
Well done folks,.. Wow,.. a lot was lost in the Lyran/ISC incursion to the core,.. a lot indeed. The Lyrans have been mysteriously quiet this game,.. very quiet indeed. Maybe now that mystery has a clue,. ?
Has anyone else visited the core?
My guess is,.. traffic there is about to go up,.. similar to the EA coreworlds,.. Take a ticket please ! LOL
Serving number 5 now !! LOL
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Post by Sheridan on Nov 17, 2008 18:04:55 GMT -5
The ISC are required to have a ship present at the core in order to build a base. How did this this ship not get ID'd or partake in the battle? Was the science ship theirs?
All this info should have been revealed unless I am missing something,.. which seems to be the case often these days LOL
Inquiring minds wish to know?
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Nov 17, 2008 18:42:53 GMT -5
what's the only ship in the battle that could not be Lyran?
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Post by Sheridan on Nov 17, 2008 19:51:14 GMT -5
I understand what your trying to say,... but I recommend that full disclosure be the norm as has been in the past.
There has been an increasing erosion of "public knowlege of battles" occurring including,.. who flew etc. It is as if the constitution is being shredded. I do not recommend this, and as the years have painfully taught me,.. I encourage that all battles be public in all ways,.. with no shading and shifting of this norm. It is an erosion of set rules that have been proven over many years.
So am I to assume that whatever vessel is not listed properly is to be ISC,.. or am I to just randomly guess?
It is a dangerous path that this takes and has been on for a while. I highly recommend that this course of hidding things be reversed and stopped. It is not in the rules, nor has it ever been the intent of the rules. Battles used to be 100% private and it wrecked the game, until you see it, be wary of it.
This is a deception to the players of true nature of the battle, and unfair.
Just my opinion, and 2 cents worth.
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Post by DeathFrog on Nov 17, 2008 20:26:39 GMT -5
I will still state that the pilots of a battle are irrelevant and not needed. results are to be posted, and they were. Perhaps they should have been clearer, but still, in that one battle, both commanders were named, and the Lyran ships were tagged. As per the base being destroyed, well, it was never completed, and I guess that was the Ref's call.
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Post by Sheridan on Nov 17, 2008 20:51:23 GMT -5
It is a slippery slope O frog skin but I recommend the side of caution until a rule is adopted that allows for hidden players and races to partake in a battle and remain hidden. Until the MST Mimbari Slueth Team can decipher the results. The battle should be 100% public until a ref decides and/or announces that such hidden deception is allowed, then we all know what is possible. As it stands,.. much negotiation regarding nations is now different based on who has a science vessel. Who has access to the artifacts. All things change now. This before was not possible but a change in what is revealed in battles,.. well it changes things. What is done is done,... but again until rules are posted that allow for such deception, we are all allowed equal understanding of what is possible. Before now this was not possible, battles were public,.. period ! Eroding the rule of public battles,.. results in issues,.. like the ones we face now. Since there is no recourse,.. over what happened on turn 2,.. what can we do but accept it. In the meanwhile, I recommend this practice be stopped. It will result in splicing info and the Ref will to make many tough calls. I think I speak for many on this issue even though they may remain silent.
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Post by Satai Vadenn ra Sinoval on Nov 17, 2008 21:26:30 GMT -5
I'm confused (my normal state). There were three ships at 2215 at the end of turn 1. From what I can find, 2 Lyran and 1 ISC science. A base was started turn 2 imp 1. Imp 2 these 3 ships were attacked by Vorlons and killed along with a base under construction. We didn't know there was a base destroyed until recently. OK, maybe that should of been upfront or maybe not, guess in future rule should state it if that was the intention, but so be it. What changes about the base being built that we did not already know? Maybe my ignorance is showing but...
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