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Post by Fleet Commander Newterd on Feb 8, 2008 12:51:39 GMT -5
So,.. in our past campaigns negotiations and back door deals were the norm. Along with that came backstabs, hurt feelings, etc.
The time requirement to do it is also heavy. So do players miss it? It was a fundamental part of the prior campaigns.
How does this game compare with no real negotiation and just all out war?
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Feb 8, 2008 16:33:03 GMT -5
I wasn't in the last campaign but the one two campaigns ago. To me it was as much or more fun than the actual battles... personally it didn't take up too much time.... (with one exception on one impulse) I had a small notepad with everyone's nations written on it and what "status" I had with them so when it came time to negotiate I didn't have to go back and figure out what had gone on previously... I usually would take 10-15min/ day during the negotiation section spread out over the day... Some people I know only would check every other day or so and were very successful. Others would skip the entire negotiaion "phase" and would make everyone wonder endlessly... (course when you're the only one negotiating with them it starts to make others wonder) And the backstabbing... lets see... Pirate, backstab, Pirate, backstab.... don't see anything wrong there...  I don't know if others that have played before do this or not but (reguardless of the game) I try to play with whatever mentality the nation I'm running has... Ie you insult a Klingon they're going to come after you ect... |
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Post by DeathFrog on Feb 8, 2008 19:31:01 GMT -5
Undecided.
I have done both, and both have advantages and disadvantages. Prior to this one, nearly all had negociations. This one seperates that due to ONLY 2 TEAMS. This is the only reason there is none. It is virtually impossible to state there will be no negociations and it is an all out war WHEN you have say 6 teams. It is guaranteed some teams will talk, as we are all friends here.
With only 2 teams, there cannot be much for negociations. So far, only negociations between Lyran and Mirak are the Mirak asking the Surrender of the Lyrans, every turn. Not much else you can do, unless you wish to give concessions to certain areas for the oposing team, in order to get some yourself. Not many of those would be beneficial to the only 2 teams here this time.
I love the all out war. I love the fact that you dont have to think about it BECAUSE there are only 2 teams.
I also loved the negociating, backstabbing, deals, etc, that happen when there are MANY teams.
I believe it is in how the game is set up. IF there are many teams, you need negociate. IF there are only 2 teams, none needed. Splain and simple.
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Post by Evil Spock on Feb 8, 2008 21:14:40 GMT -5
Very good feedback to both of you!
Yes I am torn too and wondered what others thought? Both types of games are very different.
Shalafi,.. trust me in the Pirate campaign my nation was in various forms of negotiation with many nations in the in the game. I have only played in two campaigns reffing all others, one with heavy negotiation and now this one with none.
I see it is tied on the poll,... I feel the same way.
I ask,.. cause if their was a majority vote, it may help guide future ref's in game design to come. Many more need to vote though. Including me.
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Post by Maximus Plasma on Feb 8, 2008 21:21:35 GMT -5
Never really cared much for the pirate game to much back stabbing.
Since i consider myself as a honest player. I usally don't like to make lots of deals. I much perfer the straight role playing of this type of team game. Give me a misson , and i'm a happy romulan.
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Post by Evil Spock on Feb 9, 2008 10:49:57 GMT -5
I do worry the full negotiation games become more of a popularity contest, and those that have tons of time to email, email, email, do better. Lets face it, if your new to our game and don't spend a lot of time negotiating, you likely will not do well. Yes a few people will take pitty on a new guy and befreind him. Most though will ally with a active talking neighbor and if someone else is new, you don't know him, and he is quiet, then for most he will be a target. I do like the wild and unpredictable nature of a full negotiation game though. I still haven't voted, I keep hovering over the buttons and give up. Guess that means I should go undecided  |
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Feb 9, 2008 11:45:18 GMT -5
or do a vote of no vote |
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Post by Evil Spock on Feb 10, 2008 19:50:40 GMT -5
Interesting results on this pol, not what I expected for sure.
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So I fought Centauri-Hair-Dresser-Golfers and their Romulo-Fiends and Narnian Lion Stuffed Animal Toy Friends for as long as Klingon Blood Ran In My Veins...I'm still digging Daggers outta my Back, Front, Sides, hell, even the top of my head...LOL. Saw nuthin wrong with it. ;D I negotiated with anyone with a pulse... Lived by the moniker: The enemy of my enemy is my temporary ally! 
