Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
President Earth Alliance
We stand on the Edge of the Shadow
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Post by Sheridan on Sept 8, 2008 9:51:28 GMT -5
I would like to hear Shalifi's response to this, as I thought he was supposed to tone down the B5 stuff? I had thought that was an overidding goal of him redoing my old ships. As I am fully aware of the errors of when I did it. It was also the first time I ever created a ship and was unaware of the PHG2 flaws.
Anyways lets hear from the ref on this.
The power of the Swar is a shock to me also,.. hence why I have been waiting for likes of the ISC XCA or Lyran BB to appear at my doorstep.
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Post by Maximus Plasma on Sept 8, 2008 10:05:07 GMT -5
I can say that the SWAR is indeed a stand alone type ship. I had the pleasure of playing it in the last B5 campaign. which may explain the darkness which now rules my soul! ;D But that aside. Warp has a very valid point. The SWAR is one very tough ship. But it may be what is needed to combat Any shadow ships or Whatever else is in store for us all . As the storyline plays out. We saw what happened to Warps fleet in the Vorlon nebula.
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
President Earth Alliance
We stand on the Edge of the Shadow
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Post by Sheridan on Sept 8, 2008 11:50:14 GMT -5
Yes exactly but we need to hear that from the Ref,.. something tells me he did not just make a mistake and give me a giant ship to dominate all you others with. LOL
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Sept 8, 2008 22:29:43 GMT -5
yes the B5 ships are deadly... but...
1. they're basically impossible to replace
2. They are killable it's just difficult to do so... (unfortunately the Lyrans have the hardest time out of the SFC races :/ )
3. All the SFC races have one advantage over the B5 races that i cannot say (till the game is over)
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Post by DeathFrog on Sept 8, 2008 22:41:52 GMT -5
Also, there will never(almost never) be a BB built by Lyrans, ISC, FEDS, or ROMS, . there is not the economy needed to do so unless you wish to either kill most of your fleet to pay for it, or take some 15 turns. The Swar is beatable, sure. Is it beatable with 2 descent B5 race ships beside it, vs a Fed or ISC or Lyran or Rom? NO.
Is the Narn DN BC CA beatable by what any of the 4 base races have to start with, highly unlikely, but possible as in most likely wont happen. I am sure the case can be made for other B5 races that start with a DN. Maybe I dont like my odds vs them as the only DN i could have started with would have been the DNE, and that early dread is useless in advanced era.
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Post by LoCatus of Borg on Sept 8, 2008 22:49:31 GMT -5
Ok, Guess I should have qualified my 1st post. It is in reference to future campaigns and I hope it did not sound like whining. I was simply saying that in future campaigns I would like to see things as I described and the reasons why. Just one mans opinion.....
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Post by ISN War Reporter (Embedded) on Sept 9, 2008 11:58:27 GMT -5
Good point and good arguments on all sides, if Scott's SWAR equipped fleet were to be used mainly in the frontline as a battle fleet, it would annihilate everyone else very likely. But...that's not the goal of the game apparently. So... oh well.
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
President Earth Alliance
We stand on the Edge of the Shadow
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Post by Sheridan on Sept 9, 2008 12:18:06 GMT -5
It should be noted that no one has told me/Chi how to use the Swar. It is our own choice to not attack with it. The ref never put prohibitions on us, nor are we part of any storyline,.. that we are aware of.
I did state early on (pre game) to Shalafi that I was not interested in warring with players and was going to roll play Sheridan sorta true to his hysterical ways. Maybe the big ship arrived partly based on that?
Time to change our minds,... ATTACK !!! LOL LOL LOL
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Sept 9, 2008 12:22:23 GMT -5
Ok, Guess I should have qualified my 1st post. It is in reference to future campaigns and I hope it did not sound like whining. I was simply saying that in future campaigns I would like to see things as I described and the reasons why. Just one mans opinion..... It wasn't taken that way (at least by me) in all honesty the Lyrans really do have the hardest time because of their lack of ranged punch. :/
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Post by Maximus Plasma on Sept 9, 2008 14:42:43 GMT -5
So off of the SWAR subject on to a future campaign one. It seems from what i have read here. that there is some interest in a historical Campaign. Does anyone else have any ideas for a possible campaign? And even though the "CB" is turned based, how do we feel about possible use of it? I do have an idea for a campaign. But i want to hear others,thoughts and ideas for one. We have plenty of time to start working on one . So lets hear from everyone And see what we come up with. ;D
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Sheridan
Backyard Yowler
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We stand on the Edge of the Shadow
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Post by Sheridan on Sept 9, 2008 17:55:03 GMT -5
This is just my view,.. after a couple B5 games I desire a historical game in fleets and starts. That is a far different cry than I used to have, as I always wanted lower skilled players to have some sort of edge to make up for skill deficiencies.
The nature of battles now is better. I see folks that likely dislike me,.. fly with honor, skill and no regard for me as a person in battle. Due to this I feel a more even start is appropriate.
Note I say this as a less than stellar pilot.
Agreed though over the next 6-12 months let us hear all ideal for games of the future.
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Post by DeathFrog on Sept 9, 2008 18:44:36 GMT -5
I know some may not agree, but from my perspective, those pilots who were "lacking" in the skills area are much closer to the good pilots than they ever were. A BIG part of this is due to they get to fly with 2 wingmen, often who are of the good end of piloting skills. This balance of having 3 pilots on a side, with only 1, sometimes 2, weaker pilots, and a skilled pilot or 2, evens things dramatically. Therefore I see no reason why we cant have a campaign with more balanced starts, reguardless of piloting skills. Of course, there could be say, a 10% increase in starting points or such for the lesser skilled pilots, should the ref feel they still need a boost. BUT, odds are, the lesser skilled pilots are better commanders of fleet actions, and diplomacy skills(I have noticed this a lot). Most skilled pilots rely or depend on their skills to compensate for inadequate pen** diplomacy and such.
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Sept 10, 2008 0:33:37 GMT -5
If we are to do a historical campaign does anyone have any suggestions?
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Post by LoCatus of Borg on Sept 10, 2008 22:22:37 GMT -5
I alway used to like sfc standard by which others are judged :....Federation vs Klingon....... But I am good with any...
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Sept 11, 2008 1:31:24 GMT -5
one i always thought would be cool would be the Assault on the federation scenario from F&E... basically it's the feds with several expeditionary fleets (gorn and Kzinti) vs the Klingons and the Romulans.... and if i dig around i can find the actual starting fleets for that scenario.
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