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Post by Fleet Commander Newterd on Aug 11, 2007 11:24:16 GMT -5
I mentioned in an earlier post that what races are choosen for the teams game will be important.
I do not feel I have the skill to suggest a good match up.
So what are the suggestions from the experienced players for a good match up?
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Aug 11, 2007 12:21:27 GMT -5
klingon/hydran klingon/federation Kzinti/Klingon Kzinti/Lyran federation/romulan romulan/gorn federation/gorn
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Post by Fleet Commander Newterd on Aug 11, 2007 13:50:39 GMT -5
That doesn't narrow it down much but thanks
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Post by DeathFrog on Aug 11, 2007 14:22:21 GMT -5
What kind of response were you looking for? I thought his combos were efficient in general war design. There are some others that could be suggested as well.
Lyran/Hydran due to the interraction of Hellbores and ESGs ISC vs................... any and all races wanted to be flown. It would only need a dedicated ISC team vs everyone else. Gorn vs Klingon
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Aug 11, 2007 22:33:49 GMT -5
Are you talking about a race for B5?, or a scenario?
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Aug 11, 2007 23:36:37 GMT -5
it's for a "historical" teams campaign
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Post by Count Blademaster on Aug 12, 2007 1:16:08 GMT -5
Kiss all your wifes goodbye and prepare for a 2 hour match hehe.
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Post by DeathFrog on Aug 12, 2007 7:21:37 GMT -5
Kiss all your wifes goodbye and prepare for a 2 hour match hehe. Actually 90 minutes, as the rules read, but ya there will be a lot of ballet.
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Post by Evil Spock on Aug 12, 2007 7:32:42 GMT -5
I guess the response I was looking for was: for the experienced players to suggest something like this.
Hypothetical:
Lyran should be a race choice because they have no seeking weapons and will insure some folks don't drop or experience lag.
The other team should be Hydran or Klingon cause they are a good match up and balanced.
Then the ref could make a final call for the game and declare it Lyran/Hydran for the teams game.
George is going to have to make a call on the race choices and when you list like 8 combinations it really is not that much of a suggestion for the best one. George has even less experience than myself and I worry I could not make a good call.
So I am looking for the most experienced players to suggest two races (or 3) that are a good match up and explain why. I figure if a few of you do that he could make a "edumucated" final call.
Blade your ideal on restricting the fleet composition over forcing Ref picked ships is an interesting one. I would like you to elaborate more that if you have time and inclination.
So maybe your suggesting like an old rule we had, only 1 leader or command ship per fleet? or maybe each fleet must have a line ship or two in it? My only worry is this can get complicated to define and folks find ways to wiggle around it. Also they still may not take ships that although were mainstays of the historical fleets they sucked and would not be picked like the Fed CL or the D6.
Lastly since some folks like 100% ship picks, maybe many others feel that way? Maybe a vote should go up to get everyones input? I have no issues with all picks if the majority feels that way. I just personally do not find that logical.
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Aug 12, 2007 8:56:58 GMT -5
Thank you for your input Scott. I was thinking Lyran/ Mirak, but the drone/lag issue is a good one. Hydrans can be hard to play, and I have never felt that Klingons are an equal to anything. I'll need some insight to the klingons, they may be a good choice
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Post by Evil Spock on Aug 12, 2007 9:31:35 GMT -5
The Mirak/drone issue may be ok cause Lyran would have none. Others can answer that better than I.
Klingon/Mirak/Hydran,.. I think all would work.
One thing that does come to mind,.... Klingon are rich in stuff, like utube, images, story/history, etc. As an X- Ref,.. Having Klingon in the game may well be a great point for the message boards etc. Myself being a large user of the fun and storyline stuff on the boards Klingon would be great to see in the game. Finding an image of Hydran or Lyran and utube posts is,.. umm,.. much more limited. Depending on the value that the Ref sees in the message boards entertainment,... Klingon may be the best choice against another race.
Odd thought, but it came to mind.
I like the ideal of Klingon/Lyran, provided those races are not really imbalanced. I agree with George, I have never flown well with Klingon or for that matter seen someone else do well with them or love them.
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Post by DeathFrog on Aug 12, 2007 9:47:30 GMT -5
Actually I was a Klingon pilot for years and as Klingons, TSC won 2 Gaterunner CAmpaigns out of 2 run by Gaterunner. They can beat any race on any given day with the right tactics. It is a matter of utilizing the best ships for the situation, along with the best tactics.
I do not find any race to be inferior on a whole. Some races will never do well vs certain other races and that is to be expected.
You must also look at the stacking limits before lag issues.
No matter what races get chosen I would be there, as would a great many of other pilots. I realize you wish for experienced pilots to say "choose X race over Y" but experienced pilots would tend to tell you which races they want to see in it, and they(experienced pilots) can fly any race descently so it would not matter to us. It matters more to the ref, to the inexperienced, and the unaccustomed to campaigns.
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Aug 12, 2007 9:58:12 GMT -5
Good point, but as "experienced" players from other campaigns, you can say x race is bad because of lag, or like Blade, these battles will take forever. This is the input we desire
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Post by Evil Spock on Aug 12, 2007 10:54:58 GMT -5
Good points Dfly.
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Aug 12, 2007 12:07:30 GMT -5
the only races thatwill completely bog down a connection are the drone based carrier races..... the way around that is to fly it in mid or early.... (which I'd prefer anyway.... I'd personally love an early fed... rom one)
Yea Dfly is right... most of the "experienced" players can pickup just about any race and fly well with them...
one biazzare matchup that I've seen some sucess with.. is Klingon/Gorn ... it makes for some interesting battles.
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