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Post by Evil Spock on Sept 6, 2007 10:28:39 GMT -5
Expeditionary forces have no rule or understanding they cannot be used in a particular setting. They are forces from another nation, lent/exchanged to be used, it matters not the size of the force or scale of game. Extra races add some fun and flavor to a game even if it is one fleet. To not give Barry a Romulan would be a tragedy
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Sept 6, 2007 22:46:08 GMT -5
I might be persuaded to add some expeditionary fleets, only two though, maybe Barry - Romulan and Warp- Fed.... Sorry Warp had to put that in
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Post by DeathFrog on Sept 7, 2007 17:21:18 GMT -5
LOL. If you make Warp fly Fed again, I guarantee he wont show up. Find someone else, other than me or Warp eheh.
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Post by Maximus Plasma on Sept 7, 2007 21:57:59 GMT -5
Centurion, Biggus, thingyess, of the imperial romulan empires , expeditionary forces reporting for duty! Sorry couldn't resit the Monty python name.
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Sept 7, 2007 23:08:57 GMT -5
Just pulling Warp's tail. I knew I'd get his goat. (or you)
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Post by Evil Spock on Sept 8, 2007 13:52:12 GMT -5
I do have some concerns about the race choices. I have seem too many a game get ended quickly by a wave of 6x double warhead drones on a tractored target. I see a lot of Mirv warhead ships in the game if they are allowed in middle era,.. are they? I am not sure if they are. Certianly if your allowing players to choose say 50% of his fleet picks your going to see as.s loads of drones in each battle gaurenteed.
Many have said to run lyran correctly is difficult.
I worry the many seeking weapons that we will see may cause issues with Barry (who blew up last game I was in with him), Post, and the Urugauys.
Someone should test those folks with typical Lyran/Mirak fleets and see the results.
I will go with anything though, just these are some early concerns I see.
Someone want to spain why my worries/fears are incorrect?
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Post by DeathFrog on Sept 8, 2007 14:28:30 GMT -5
Well, for one, Mirv are nearly non-existant in mid, if at all. Best I can recollect is there basically are no mirvs in mid. AS per drones taking out ships, well if the Mirak cant do that, then they can NEVER win a war. Might as well say that Roms and Gorns cant tractor before shooting their plasmas either . THis is what they are designed to do. Lyrans on the other hand are the MOST Drone-defensive ships out there, bar none. This is why it makes it so interesting. Besides, we still dont know the races that will be involved, so there is a good chance neither will be.
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Post by Evil Spock on Sept 8, 2007 16:59:18 GMT -5
I had thought it had been decided Lyran vs Mirak? I cannot tell what the best choice is. Like I said much of it is what others have said about Lyran being hard to run correctly. I have to fire up the game, I thought there was a Mirv mid MEC type hull. I guess in the end it should not matter,.. one side will have to lose and the folks on that side should just take it in stride. It is the lesson Roman taught us in B5 savor even your loss. I tried for that in Pizza Pirate and indeed it was fun. Plus I have had a lot of practice at losing in battles
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Sept 8, 2007 17:29:18 GMT -5
Plenty of time to practice and question the next campaign. With the length of plasma battles, I stayed away from them. Burnout on Feds, they're out. That left Klingon, Lyran, Mirak, and Hydran, of these I thought Lyran and Mirak would be most interesting. Expeditionary Fleets, sides, rules, and other matters can be discussed as we approach the "catfight". Other races may win out. Let's have everyone's input please.
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Post by DeathFrog on Sept 8, 2007 19:11:03 GMT -5
MIRV Missiles, in Mid ERA.
The DF(Drone Frigate) has a variant with 1 mirv The MDC(light cruiser droner) has a variant with 1 mirv The CD(heavy cruiser droner) has a variant with 1 mirv A few DN class ships have a single mirv variant as well.
Only 1 frigate, 1 light cruiser, 1 heavy cruiser, and a few DNs have them, and those drones are speed 24.
Also, the frig, LC, HC, all are droners, with no dizzies, and no real extra power either.
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Post by Maximus Plasma on Sept 8, 2007 20:30:05 GMT -5
Lyran Mirzak should prove pretty even, in the Mid Era. Other races You did not mention, were the ISC , Klingon, However if we do choose a cat fight. the Klingon and the Hydrans both were Neighbors of those two races. So if they were added in it would be within the Real "sfb" possibilites.
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Post by Lord Hellus, Council Chairman on Sept 8, 2007 22:25:36 GMT -5
I don't have any problem with "expeditionary" forces from anywhere as any nation would like the opportunity to test there forces against "live" fire
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Post by Evil Spock on Sept 9, 2007 8:41:03 GMT -5
I had a talk with Dfly on TS and he has eliviated most of my worries about Lyran vs Mirak. He did have some good points.
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Post by Head Fur Shalafi on Sept 9, 2007 11:20:32 GMT -5
defensive ESG
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Post by Evil Spock on Sept 9, 2007 12:39:25 GMT -5
They are not sufficient to stop a scatter pack or multiple ones, specially double warhead strength drones. I worry still worry that Lyran pilots without much experience will be meat. Lets hope it is tenderloin. Hey it will be a lesson to all in defensive drone measures and that will make us all better pilots. That race leader should try as many practice battles as possible before the fleets clash. Speaking of which it should be time to consider race leader nominations. This would give whoever time to rally the team and get some practice sessions under the belt, maybe a little pregame ribbing too
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